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Matt
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 Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: Nudge Field Gripe |
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I'm hoping someone from EngSW reads this in the next month or so, if they're checking in. The Nudge Field in PC8 was an enormous step backwards.
- it's no longer units intelligent
- you can no longer do math in the field
- worse of all, if you double click in the field, it selects all and then deselects all, meaning that your typing is now appended rather than replacing what was there before.
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in all these ways it is different, and significantly degraded from, the way this interface item used to behave.
Had I known this was the case I would have been reluctant to take the step from 7 to 8.
don't get me wrong, I Love PowerCADD, but it kills me to see the way the nudge has been sabotaged.
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if someone from engsw does stop by, I'm hoping they'll give us mushrooms a hint about whether they're planning on rectifying this situation soon or never.
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And I sure wish the various Align commands had a counterpart in the toolbar area. That would sure be handy.
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patrickm
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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I think Matt had mentioned in an earlier post about PC8 requiring the user to look all over the screen for various items (particularly the Edit window and the Toolbar).
The only thing that I use the Toolbar for in PC8 is to use the nudge amount and (as of last week) to see what the drawing scale is. I don't use any of the tools. I'd prefer to access the nudge amount and the drawing scale in a small window that I can put near my palettes, where I frequently look. Also, I'd prefer to be able to change the nudge amount and the drawing scale in that small window (similar if not identical to the long lost Status window) as well as verify the number of selected items and what layers they are on.
On my 30" Apple display, I'd prefer not to have to look at the top of the screen. (Am I lazy or what?)
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patrick
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Greg
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The only thing that I use the Toolbar for in PC8 is to use the nudge amount and (as of last week) to see what the drawing scale is. |
It sounds like there was an update to PC last week? My version of PC 8.01 hasn't told me yet (even though it is supposed to in preferences), though when I choose "Updates..." from the menu it tells me there is one, though after a few dialog boxes I am told I can't connect to the update database!
What gives?
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Matt
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CJH
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I received an e-mail that an update was available, but after trying the updater it fails with a warning that I am not able to access the database.[/quote]
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GaryV
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I'm hoping someone from EngSW reads this in the next month or so, if they're checking in.
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| Quote: | | If someone from engsw does stop by,... |
You know, you can always pick up the phone Matt! hehehe
Gary
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Greg
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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I am not finding the nudge as useful as before either. When I open up a new drawing in imperial measure (feet and inches), the nudge shows 0", and looks like I can also choose "one pixel". However, I can't actually choose one pixel, as it pops back to show 0". When I nudge an object though, it actually moves!
If the intention is that the default value is one pixel (maybe that makes sense?), then I would prefer it showed "1 pixel", not zero.
Can anyone explain what the intention is here?
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Matt
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Be Careful, Greg. Sounds like you're going to take us down the Display Accuracy Specified path, and that is a way that leads to the outer darkness and gnashing of teeth.
I can't understand the degradation of the Nudge in PC8, in my ignorance, I am hopeful it will be corrected soon.
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Greg
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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I agree Matt, I don't want to go there either!
If it actually were 1 pixel, I can't really imagine ever using it since of course it would depend on the zoom level.
It's just that if it displays a zero by default (as opposed to some really small value I entered), I would want it to really be zero... zip... nothing... rather than some small indeterminate value which caused me to move objects around!
The issue of why you would ever actually want to have a real zero in the nudge box is another question. If it is going to default to something, maybe it should be the smallest increment (precision) in your scale setting. Just a thought...
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Matt
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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as it is now, it should probably just display 'AFU'.
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CJH
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe the reason for the 0 value is that nudge values are now carried with the drawing file instead of being 'global': the 0 value reflects this as when a file is first opened there are no values set. I've gotten used to when a file is first opened, setting values of 1/8", 1/4"....-these are then locked in with that file. Not sure if this is an improvement but it works. Also, you can put in decimal or fractions and both work (.25 or 1/4), but the " does not seem to display. I'd also like to have a way to clear the menu and re-load it.
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jasonlocher
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Matt wrote: | Be Careful, Greg. Sounds like you're going to take us down the Display Accuracy Specified path, and that is a way that leads to the outer darkness and gnashing of teeth.
I can't understand the degradation of the Nudge in PC8, in my ignorance, I am hopeful it will be corrected soon. |
I'm still using v7 but was wondering if the Flip Vertical Axis disaster has been fixed?
So that by default, +Y = "up".
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Matt
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Jason, the odds of that ever changing are the same as the odds you have of walking on Mars. It's conceivable.
On a computer screen, the pixel in the top left corner is addressed as 0,0; the addresses of the remaining pixels on your screen increase to the right and down. So 'flip vertical axis' allows us Cartesians to rectify the way our programs interpret our intentions. I think the issue would go away if the checkbox were called: "Positive Y is up". I pretend that's what it says when I see it.
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ValmontR
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, losing the drawing scale, display scale and nudge items from the old status window means I've downgraded to v. 7 PCAD. I hated to do it, but I use all three of those all the time, and I don't want to waste screen real estate on my drawing display with yet another poorly conceived (IMHO) toolbar. I want ALL of my main display for drawing.
Ralph
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Rolando
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Unless I'm not understanding the comments, it looks like some of these issues have been fixed with 8.02. The nudge window now shows a number (not zero) for one pixel, and it also displays the " (inch) designation.
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