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mx2
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There's something rotten in Denmark!
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P.C.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Exactly and it been smelling since then ,no wonder nothing realy happen here.
I agrea that I know very little of what you can gain not handeling the CAD files yourself , rendering is no concern for me while I need just the basic CAD tools and se CAD as a tool, a tool to produce the actural things the house are made of , guess it is nice to have a digital presatation as natural as it can be ,before you decide if it shal look like this or that , --- back to subjedt if there are something fishy about it, I don't know ! |
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One concern about out-sourcing is what you must do in preparation for the CAD operations by others. How do they know what to detail? How to detail? What materials are invovled? Who selects them? How are glitches resolved? etc........................
Whatever you do NOT send them they will have to "fill in"-- won't they?And I am certainly not comfortable with allowing others, unknown to me, to unilaterally input my work [their seal is not on the work!!!!].
Its almost sounds like a duplication of effort-- if I have to do a lot of prep [sketching, etc.] just to hand it off to them [to straighten the lines"] why can't I just do it all myself? |
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mx2
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Heeyyyyyyyyy...!?!? What happened to the original post? Makes it seem like *I* started this thread...
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P.C.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| It has been out-sourced !!! |
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mx2
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Ha!...that was funny P.C.!
Good one.
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Outsourcing has its problems as described.
But as the principal you are expected to handle the design of the next project, answer the phone because it's for you anyway, answer the questions from the project manager in the field who is in the 4th month of construction on your project, write out checks to pay the bills, answer the phone again, try to send out invoices for the milestones you have hit to date for this month, complete the back check review from the jurisdcition having authority on the other project which is out of town, return the phone calls you didn't have time to return from yesterday, call the employee who didn't bother to phone in sick today, reschedule the work assignments with the other employees to pick up the slack left by the sick employee, review the progress set of construction documents of another project that has been sitting on your desk for two days so far, answer the phone again, don't forget to put stamps on the envelopes with the invoices and bill payments that need to be sent out today, contact your consultants for their delivery schedule of the current project, tell the consultants that you just them a progress payment in todays mail (lie if necessary), answer the phone, again, grab a breath of air and look around your office to find that all the employees are taking their ten minute break and you are the only one in the entire office, as usual. The first one in, the last one out, and answer the phone while headed out the door or answer the cell phone as you get to the parking lot.
But there are problems when outsourcing. |
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If it were easy, then everyone might start thinking they were architects...
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Question... This is been going through my head for a long time
What is the defference between an architect and a design drafter?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| I don't know what a design drafter is. Must be some inaccurate label to designate a draftsman who wishes to be designer. Neither of which is a licensed architect. |
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Well come to find out that architects and drafters(Draftsman) are the same. They both design floorplans, but architects actually have there own contractors if not a building contractor themself.
Read that one some site last night after some late night searching
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Construction concerns dealing with public safety pay no heed to "drafters." The architect is ultimately responsible for the "drafters" in his office.
The state having jurisdiction issues and regulates a license to those who qualify to call themselves an "architect" and who can't. So, if you don't understand that there are two different worlds between the two, you do now.
So pay attention and stop with the idiocies. |
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mx2
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Again with the correlation between drafting and providing architectural services. Even without licensing, and the notion that an architectural project could be done by non-architects, the activity of drafting is not architecture. That's the equivalent of saying a typist is an author...
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| from my experience with it thus far it has some great advantages and can be very beneficial in a variety of tasks including creating contract documents and working on proposals or even research |
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to expand upon my last comment i'll say the following...
the firm i work for currently uses some 'out sourcing' to augment our production process for particular projects. basically we have a fellow in our office who worked in india for many years as an architect and still has many reliable contacts in the industry over there...
when a particular project or phase in the project is in whatever situation that makes it eligible for using the indian contacts we contact them and set up the project for production on that side...
in a construction documents production situation generally the design is brought up to DD level on this end and all the standard details and such are at least developed as sketches and then sent over to be processed... drawings are then exchanged back and forth with redmarks and comments just as you would with an individual in the office...
what is very beneficial is the time difference b/w here and there... it basically creates a situation where we actually have a 16 hour day with some overlap so drawings can be commented on and marked up on this side sent over to india and the next morning a fresh set of drawings is ready for review...
in situations where time and staffing are a big issue that is a huge help...as the firm i work for has grown and gathered more work these 2 issues are becoming more and more prominent since it is sometimes difficult to find the staffing needed to support projects here stateside especially as we have a growing commitment to international projects and supporting our international office projects...
another way the 'out sourcing' is used is to help integrate the use of programs such as revit and other BIM applications... instead of tying someone up stateside creating families and smart objects those tasks can be sent overseas to be developed... this greatly aides in the use and acceptance of new programs like revit since a full set of families is readily available and staff and money isn't being tied up creating these things that could be put toward other responsibilities...
also such tasks represent a temporal issue... they generally are for a short period of time and a particular number of families and such... if we were to hire that support staff in an office there certainly would not be enough work to keep if busy at all times... granted if you were to hire just one person and change them with the task of developing all these things it would become a full time position but due to time constrants and the interest in full integration as soon as possible that isn't an option...
so 2 great advantages there are the speed at which a project can progress and the ability to greatly increase the size of your support staff without having to commit to a full time employment situation...
obviously this method would not be used if it weren't profitable as well... it is definitely cheaper to send this work overseas to be completed then to hire a bunch of support staff that may not be fully utilized at all times... the expenses that would have blocked this activity in the past such as cost of communications and transferring files and such no longer exists with the advent of VOIP phone systems, skype and the speed at which information can move over the internet...
also it is not like a 'sweat shop' situation either... my firm makes it a priority that those working on our projects are not to be expected to work any greater amount of hours without proper compensation than would be recieved on this end... the dollar for dollar comparison is less over there but that also has to do with simple cost of living numbers.... and of course you arne't paying someone with an architecture degree or even license to do the work which adds a premium to the cost...
ultimately it greatly helps the blended rate and you can get the right number of people with the right knowledge working on the project to work out the important parts without having to worry you aren't going to have enough budget to pay for the actual production of documents |
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