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GaryV Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 282 Location: Walnut Creek, CA	Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:04 pm    Post subject: GRRRRR!!! I am running PC 7.07, WTs 8.04 and OS 10.5.8. For the first time in forever I jumped onto my machine to put together a plan for someone I am helping out. When I first saved the document I saved it to the wrong folder so I moved it to the desktop after doing so. I then auto saved ever 30 mins and I found it odd that it kept prompting me to save it as a new name. Each time I saved it as the same name and overwrote the old file after it asked me if I wanted to replace the file. I thought it strange but did not question the fact that the file was being saved. Then I decided to save on my own as I was finishing the drawing after 4 or 5 hours. At that point I got the spinning beach ball and the app said application not responding in the dock. I figured no issues...I had just saved and at worst case it had auto saved a few minutes prior. So I went ahead and force wuit as the ball was still spinning. I jumped to the desktop and double clicked the file and lo and behold the file appeared to be the file that I first saved (in the other folder)!! Now I understand that moving it might have been an issue the first time but I continuously saved and re-saved the current drawing and replaced the old file. So after saving 8-10 times, the file was never saved? I have no idea how this happened or why. Unfortunately I am not running time machine so it appears I just wasted 4 or 5 hours. I am freaking stunned by this and why it happened...both the lock up by PC but more importantly why PC or the system never saved the current file as I hit "replace" each time. GRRRRRR! Frustrating and a waste of my time!! Any ideas for recovery (I won't hold my breath) -Gary
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GaryV Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 282 Location: Walnut Creek, CA	Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:47 pm    Post subject: I have redrawn the plan and am good to go. As I have thought about this I believe because PC7 is not recommended for Leopard, there are some glitches where the s/w has not kept up with the OS. PC obviously lost track of the file path yet let me continue to save and overwrite. But it was not doing so. What is was doing I am not sure but I think file management must be broken in Leopard/PC7. I wish I could afford an Intel Mac right now so I could get all my s/w and OS versioning in alignment.
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Peter Severin Carlsen Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 105 Location: St. Paul, Minnesota	Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:50 am    Post subject: Even under 10.4 powercadd 7 has trouble with files. 1. Open a new drawing and the program say that file is already open, do you want to open a duplicate. 2. The inability to change and save the stationary. It runs into the same sort of issue you are talking about of not knowing where the stationary is. Then without changing any set up in the stationary it comes up with different layers and line weights from what I've set. I can't even save the stationary somewhere else and move it into the place in the PC folder to replace the file that the program opens and have it take. 3. And I've learned don't move a file that is open and expect the program to have the foggiest notion of where to save changes. I know the feeling...and other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play...? _________________ Peter Carlsen
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GaryV Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 282 Location: Walnut Creek, CA	Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:01 am    Post subject: Not that I would wish this fiasco on anyone but I am glad to hear I am not the only one that has tried to move files when open or do something like that and had issues. That said, I have done it many times with other s/w and there has never been an issue. I could understand trouble (broken file path) the first time but what was happening in subsequent saves? Remember, I was always prompted to replace the file with the current file. TOTAL peace of mind notwithstanding it should not have been asking me that. I just felt that because it was prompting to save and replace that I was fine. I know better now. I feel it is a definite program flaw and something I hope they have or will address in future versions (if there are going to be any). I also wish there was a version of PC that allows me to reliably and with peace of mind know that I am OK using the s/w. I am not THAT out of date yet the warning when it boots up that it is not recommended for Leopard is just a way for some in NC to say that any problem is because I have not kept current. Well I would have if I had updated my machine...guess it is time to seriously consider it but in these tough times it is a bit difficult to justify. Well the play ended up fine in the end although I had to watch it a second time. Unfortunately I did not loose my husband (s/w) although at times yesterday I wish I wasn't married to the President!! -Gary
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David Scott Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 210 Location: Orkney Islands, Scotland	Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:17 am    Post subject: Moving an open file is never a good thing to do. It's a bit like receiving a letter for the previous owner of your house and having no forwarding address. We open all our PCADD files from a server, and whenever I get a Save problem I do a Save-as to the desktop, close the drawing, and then copy the file back to the server. David
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GaryV Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 282 Location: Walnut Creek, CA	Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:38 am    Post subject: I agree it was not the best thing to do (and I was working locally not off a server) but EVERY subsequent save WAS a save-as and as such should have been doing just that as I accepted the overwriting of the file. I have done this with PC and other s/w in the past (don't make a habit of it though). I am just warning folks that this aspect is probably broken if you are using Leopard or Snow Leopard and PC7 and agree that it should NOT be done if you are in this situation....
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Matt Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 525 Location: Sterling, Virginia	Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:17 pm    Post subject: I believe that PowerCADD should function like a database program, committing (saving) changes as they happen. If you want to save versions of the document, you should have a special save command for that. The whole save-the-file thing is so 20th century.
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patrickm Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 399 Location: santa barbara, ca	Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:49 am    Post subject: Matt wrote: I believe that PowerCADD should function like a database program, committing (saving) changes as they happen. If you want to save versions of the document, you should have a special save command for that. The whole save-the-file thing is so 20th century. I don't really agree. One of the complaints that I used to hear about DataCad is that it had this behavior and it lead to file bloat. I like my files as small and lean as possible and I don't mind being in charge of managing them (saving, moving, etc). The way it works is just fine with me. I disabled the save reminder a long time ago and just command S every few minutes and don't even think about it, kind of like using my turn signals on my car - almost automatic.
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jasonlocher Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 649 Location: Austin, Texas	Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:37 am    Post subject: GaryV wrote: I agree it was not the best thing to do (and I was working locally not off a server) but EVERY subsequent save WAS a save-as and as such should have been doing just that as I accepted the overwriting of the file. I have done this with PC and other s/w in the past (don't make a habit of it though). I am just warning folks that this aspect is probably broken if you are using Leopard or Snow Leopard and PC7 and agree that it should NOT be done if you are in this situation.... I've had this happen many times, reported it too after losing a huge amount of work. I started projects from a stationary, then did a saveas to the client directory. Turns out after a whole day of drawing, it didn't save a singe damn thing. Unfortunately it only occurred randomly so it marked as "user error" and ignored. Good times!
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