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tara Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 2 Location: California	Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:31 pm    Post subject: Displays for PC6 I am in the process of upgrading my system to a Power Mac G5. I considered using the 30" Apple Cinema Display, but am also considering dual 23" Apple Cinema Displays. Anyone have any experience with either of these configurations pro or con? Thanks, Bert
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Rob C Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 573 Location: Southern Connecticut	Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:58 pm    Post subject: For 23" I've being looking at the Hewlett Packard L2335. MacWorld liked it a lot, but I have not seen one in person yet. There's also an L2035 that's 20" _________________ Rob www.robertcoolidge.com
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Matt Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 525 Location: Sterling, Virginia	Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:34 am    Post subject: i never heard a bad word about the 30's. look into dual 30's?
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ETEaster Joined: 20 Apr 2004 Posts: 100	Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:12 am    Post subject: We have several different All Apple LCD Screen configurations: G5's and G4's with Apple 23" and 20" dual screen systems seem like the best price for real estate. I use a 15" Powerbook with 30" screen and it is the great but system is expensive. I use 15" Powerbook with 20" screen at the house and it is satisfactory. Current Favorite system is 2- 2ghz G5 w/ 4mb memory and 30" / 20" dual screen.
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tara Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 2 Location: California	Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:05 am    Post subject: On your dual 30"/20" system, do you view the drawing on the 30" and menus on the 20"? If you used the same sized display (ex. dual 23"s) would viewing the drawing on both displays be preferable?
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Matt Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 525 Location: Sterling, Virginia	Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:35 am    Post subject: the 20" display retails for $799. optimal resolution is 1680 x 1050, or 1,764,000 pixels. this works out to about 2200 pixels for a dollar, or .0453¢/pixel. the 23" display retails for $1499. optimal res is 1920 x 1200, or 2,304,000 pixels. this works out to about 1540 pixels for a dollar, or .065¢/pixel. It's about 1.3 times the screen area of the 20" dispaly. the 30" display retails for $2999. optimal res is 2560 x 1600, or 4,096,000 pixels. this works out to about 1365 pixels for a dollar, or .073¢/pixel. It's about 2.3 times the screen area of the 20" display (and 1.8 times the arrea of the 23"). Right now, Apple has refurbs of the 23" and 30" displays on sale for $1299 and $2599 right now; this works out to 1774 pixels/$ or .056¢/pixel for the 23" and 1576 pixels/$ or .00635¢/pixel for the 30". in terms of cost per pixel the refurb 30" display is about the same as the new 23" display. a 22" x 34" document can be displayed at 96% of actual size on the 30" display, with enough room left over for your tool palettes. Once you have sat in front of a 30" display you will wonder why you even considered anything else. A 40" display would be nice, but nicer still would be a pen-sensitive cinema display. ...maybe next product cycle...
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Nick Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 107 Location: Long Island, N.Y.	Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:39 am    Post subject: I had a 23" and sold it and purchased the 30" I drive it with the new 17" 1.67 Powerbook. The 30" is pleasure to work with and the 17" PowerBook with 1 Gig of ram handles anything I throw at it. I also wish someone would develope a pen sensitive 30" display so we can have direct input and put an end to this whole mouse and tablet nonsense.
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huc Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 683 Location: ::caddpower.com:: (Arvada, CO)	Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Nick wrote: I also wish someone would develope a pen sensitive 30" display so we can have direct input and put an end to this whole mouse and tablet nonsense. Wacom is getting close; another 9" is likely just a matter of cost and size of the market
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Chris Black Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 63 Location: Denver, CO	Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:46 pm    Post subject: LCD Displays These days, the biggest/bestest bang for the buck are the Dell Ultrasharp LCD displays. In most ways they make the Apple displays look like grossly overpriced dilettante statements.
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Howard Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 70 Location: Durham, NC	Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:28 pm    Post subject: from the CNET review of the Dell Ultrasharp: http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_UltraSharp_2001FP/4505-3174_7-30588561-2.html?tag=glance Looks OK but not quite the cat's meow. CNET Labs DisplayMate tests (Longer bars indicate better performance) Formac Gallery 2010 83 Sharp LL-T2020 76 Apple Cinema Display 74 Dell UltraSharp 2001FP 68 Brightness in nits Apple Cinema Display 266 Sharp LL-T2020 209 Dell UltraSharp 2001FP 205
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Rob C Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 573 Location: Southern Connecticut	Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:07 pm    Post subject: For comparison to Apple's 23": B&H Photo has the HP L2335 new for $1299 (and the L2035 for $679) while TigerDirect has refurbished L2335 for $1099. According to MacWorld, if you have the an ATI Radeon 9200 or 9800, you can use the pivot feature for portrait mode. http://www.macworld.com/2005/02/reviews/23inchlcd/index.php _________________ Rob www.robertcoolidge.com
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ETEaster Joined: 20 Apr 2004 Posts: 100	Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:41 pm    Post subject: tara wrote: On your dual 30"/20" system, do you view the drawing on the 30" and menus on the 20"? If you used the same sized display (ex. dual 23"s) would viewing the drawing on both displays be preferable? I have tried using dual 23" with one drawing on both displays and I can't get used to the break in the drawing space. I have always wanted a 24" x 36" drawing space (40" monitor) The second monitor is for tools and a second drawing.
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ms Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 613 Location: Naples, Florida	Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:24 am    Post subject: Quote: put an end to this whole mouse and tablet nonsense oh, my aching back! I think I'd rather have mouse-wrist than go back to the days of hunching down over a drawing board. –ms
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dwm Joined: 20 Apr 2004 Posts: 572	Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:39 am    Post subject: I've been looking into display options too; As Matt did, I also looked at the cost of screen realestate. The difference between all the lowest priced 20" displays available and the Apple 30" is almost twice the cost. Sizes lower than 20" are even less cost. I'm considering the life cycle cost. The life expectancy is about 3 years if the display is used 40 hours a week. In less than that time prices will drop considerably and that 40" that Matt wants will likely be available. There are hints that another change in LCD offerings is coming soon. Most manufacturers are now offering a 20" in the same resolution as Apple (likely the same LCD screen). I'm also considering dot pitch for something that will be easier to look at, i.e. making PCD's tools larger on screen. Unfortunately there's not much difference in the larger displays, the best I've found is the ViewSonic 19", which I have now. I've decided to go with the 23" for the drawing area, possibly a second one for parking tools and opening other apps I use with PCD. I prefer the 19" ViewSonic which will be satisfactory and far more cost effective. One thing worth considering is Warranty. Apple only gives 1 year, which can be extended with AppleCare (at a price). Most other manufacturers give 3 years for parts, labour and backlight. I'll be buying non-Apple displays. Acer is the lowest I've seen, HP and Dell have good prices too, ViewSonic's quality is exceptional. It's worth noting that most of these screens are made by one manufacturer. The differences are mostly how they are packaged, i.e. connectivity options and video types supported. One good bit of advice is that if you don't know what the quality is like you should go and compare at a dealer. I was amazed to find that I liked the ViewSonic 19" (not a wide screen) better than Apple's 20" (on the iMac G5). _________________ David Mousley Developer of copyCat for PowerCADD It's Intel Native and it's Universal Software PowerCADD 6 thru 8 compatible Mac OS X Tiger and Leopard compatible copyCat
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Nick Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 107 Location: Long Island, N.Y.	Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:12 pm    Post subject: OLED screens will hit the market in a couple of years as costs come down.    Filesize:  95.03 KB  Filename:  Picture 11.png  Viewed:  496 Time(s)
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