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Junji Shirai
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 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:06 pm Post subject: High rise living |
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In the city where congested yet low in density like Tokyo, we see only possibility to make it attractiv to live in is to go up high(and leave as much green on ground).
Yet we hear that living in such a high place, detached from ground, makes human uncertain and insecure for every day living. As the compromised idea, they say it is acceptable to live on 10 to 15 floors up, but this does not truly solve the basic problem of low density congestion.
Besides having fantastic views, could anyone give good reason to live really high such as over 200 ~ 300m up in the air? Or is there any sientific or medical reason not to live in such level? |
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rokdd
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Location: Dresden, Germany
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| because i am from europe i feel frightend living/being in highrising buildings. the building can be secure, but i feel not very good, missing the feeling of security.. |
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Junji Shirai
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:46 am Post subject: |
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The idea of living in high rise building has been driven by the need of making land use much more efficient, as such the City of Tokyo, the land suitable for the residential is rather limited yet we have high population within the urban area, plus the fact that the shorter the commuting distance, the lesser the consumption of energy, not to mention the time being saved for the better of living.
Those who work in downtown have been suffering for so long to have to commute an hour or two one way every day, as the result of idea of living in country side for better environment and work in the city. This has been proved wrong, and we are now trying to make city as compact as possible.
Yet we do not have enough cases to prove high rise living is the thing to come and there will be no need to fear, so I would like to hear more of readers' opinions regarding this matter. |
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Richard Haut
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I think that Rokdd is right in that it is partially a cultural problem.
When the question of high-rise living was discussed thirty or forty years ago in Britain, it was in terms of heights that today would not be seen as very high. However, it was literally hated by many people. In many cases, certainly in the 1970's, high-rise public housing blocks were referred to as "the slums of the future", and that is what many became.
The only successful examples that I saw in London (and I am not sure how successful) belonged to people with enough money to have another place - a "real" place - on the ground in the country.
Far from being a new idea, it is one that comes from over half a century ago, and is to many architecture's greatest failure. Building even higher homes for people may result in an even bigger failure.
The "catastrophe" was the collapse of the Ronan Point flats in London. It did not mean that high-rise living was inherently dangerous, but many (very many) assumed that that was precisely what it meant.
Do other cultures view the problem differently ? Do Americans happily live at great heights ?
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rokdd
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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yes and the catastrophe as Richard said are always in anyway. for example the WTC-tower in NY. or the falling down glass pane at the Taipai 101 ...
a second argument against this type of buildings: you feel not very well, because their are lot's of peoples in not so much space. becuase of that relaxing is difficult. living 300m about the ground you cannot go with a few steps on your balcony. with new technelogys the problems can be solved in same cases partly, but there will be always a unhappiness. in special for perhaps eurpeans who are not accustomed at that living-style... |
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Junji Shirai
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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It might be necessary for those who have rather negative images to the high rise residential to come and see modern ones in the city like Tokyo, for instance, a new urban redevelopment of Ropponghi Hills where a set of truly fine examples of high rise apartments were built and offered to the public. Japan is in reality, the earthquake country and they have done enough work to ensure those high rise are safe at most severe quake. Most of those apartments are fully occupied by happy residents.
psycological resistance to the height may still be there but convenience and comfortable environment that offer are more than enogh to offset.
I am not an advocate to the high rise and still have some reservations, and that is why I am posting these messages. It may take a long time to get any meaningful results but so far, there are not much choices here but go up, if the choice is to make safer and better living spaces on the ground where it belongs to all. |
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