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"US does not torture"

Postby SDR » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:25 pm

By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer

President Bush defended his administration's detention and interrogation policies for terrorism suspects on Friday, saying they are both successful and lawful.

"When we find somebody who may have information regarding a potential attack on America, you bet we're going to detain them, and you bet we're going to question them," he said during a hastily called appearance in the Oval Office. "The American people expect us to find out information, actionable intelligence so we can help protect them. That's our job."

Bush was referring to a report on two secret memos in 2005 that authorized extreme interrogation tactics against terror suspects. "This government does not torture people," the president said.

The two Justice Department legal opinions were disclosed in Thursday's editions of The New York Times, which reported that the first 2005 legal opinion authorized the use of head slaps, freezing temperatures and simulated drownings, known as waterboarding, while interrogating terror suspects, and was issued shortly after then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales took over the Justice Department.

That secret opinion, which explicitly allowed using the painful methods in combination, came months after a December 2004 opinion in which the Justice Department publicly declared torture "abhorrent" and the administration seemed to back away from claiming authority for such practices.

A second Justice opinion was issued later in 2005, just as Congress was working on an anti-torture bill. That opinion declared that none of the CIA's interrogation practices would violate the rules in the legislation banning "cruel, inhuman and degrading" treatment of detainees, The Times said, citing interviews with unnamed current and former officials.

"We stick to U.S. law and international obligations," the president said, without taking questions afterward.

White House and Justice Department press officers have said the 2005 opinions did not reverse the 2004 policy.

Bush, speaking emphatically, noted that "highly trained professionals" conduct any questioning. "And by the way," he said, "we have gotten information from these high-value detainees that have helped protect you."

He also said that the techniques used by the United States "have been fully disclosed to appropriate members of the United States Congress" — an indirect slap at the torrent of criticism that has flowed from the Democratic-controlled Congress since the memos' disclosure.

"The American people expect their government to take action to protect them from further attack," Bush said. "And that's exactly what this government is doing. And that's exactly what we'll continue to do."

The 2005 opinions approved by Gonzales remain in effect despite efforts by Congress and the courts to limit interrogation practices used by the government in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The authorizations came after the withdrawal of an earlier classified Justice opinion, issued in 2002, that had allowed certain aggressive interrogation practices so long as they stopped short of producing pain equivalent to experiencing organ failure or death. That controversial memo was withdrawn in June 2004.

The dispute may come down to how the Bush administration defines torture, or whether it allowed U.S. interrogators to interpret anti-torture laws beyond legal limits. CIA spokesman George Little said the agency sought guidance from the Bush administration and Congress to make sure its program to detain and interrogate terror suspects followed U.S. law.

Senate and House Democrats have demanded to see the memos.

"Why should the public have confidence that the program is either legal or in the best interests of the United States?" Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., wrote in a letter to the acting attorney general.

House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers and Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., promised a congressional inquiry.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said he was "personally assured by administration officials that at least one of the techniques allegedly used in the past, waterboarding, was prohibited under the new law."

A White House spokesman, meanwhile, criticized the leak of such information to the news media and questioned the motivations of those who do so.

"It's troubling," Tony Fratto said Friday. "I've had the awful responsibility to have to work with The New York Times and other news organizations on stories that involve the release of classified information. And I can tell you that every time I've dealt with any of these stories, I have felt that we have chipped away at the safety and security of America with the publication of this kind of information."

Copyright © 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

They've used this line for years, now: "US does not torture." They NEVER say "US has not tortured". . .
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Got to be kidding

Postby usarender » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:24 pm

Got to be joking.

Check out the attached article.
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About the attached article

Postby usarender » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:29 pm

Extracted from this article attached above -->>

Total Surveillance: Cognitive Liberties vs. National Security

"Today the US and the U.K. are becoming total surveillance societies in the name of national security. London, like cities across the US, is equipped with cameras citywide. Daily human actions are recorded with video and voice recognition device, while our email and computer usage is monitored. Increased demand for resources, the erosion of middle classes, war, poverty, and environmental disasters are historically factors leading to social uprisings and infiltration of political borders. As governments reinforce the threat of terror, people increasingly turn to their governments for protection.

The US has a long history of human rights violations through harassment, telephone tapping, video surveillance, behavior manipulation, torture, drug-induced states of conscience and psychological control. Congress’s passage of the Military Commission Act of 2006 put universal human rights outside the scope of US policy. Today, the US government is using the most technologically advanced forms of surveillance and control, along with the propaganda of fear and intimidation against its citizens. The US engages in covert torture, covert imprisonment, increased censorship and the massive secret classification of government documents.142

Under the cover of secrecy provided by claims of national security, researchers in service to higher circle policy elites have implanted electrodes into human subjects to control minds and tortured prisoners and the mentally ill in efforts to find better “brainwashing” techniques. They have poisoned thousands with atomic testing, experimented on young children using drugs, trauma and hypnosis, sprayed major cities with biological agents to prepare for a future attack, overthrown governments, instituted mass killings, and engaged in every form of information distortion.

The current “War on Terror” has revealed to the public some of the tools that the military has been developing for decades. High profile weapons systems flash across the nightly reports of the major news networks, including highflying Stealth bombers on grainy green tinted video from the noses of “smart” bombs. On occasion glimpses are given through the media of what one article dubbed “Wonder Weapons.”148 Weapons that fall under the military category of “Non-Lethal Weapons.” In fact the general position of the agencies who do comment on weapons that exploit the lower end of the electromagnetic spectrum is that they have no biological effect at all, except for what are dubbed “thermal effects,” in essence heating of human cells.149

Their are all kind of misconceptions within even the government itself.

Most people don't realize what these projects are doing, and how dangerous they are in the hands of anybody, whether it be the government, private or corporate enterprise.

The world is facing a dire future of surveillance, mind control, human behavior control, manipulation, and human rights abuse and it is not getting any better. Most people do not realize what is happening before our eyes.

This is just a minute summary or glimpse of a huge amount of data on this subject.
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Further concerns

Postby usarender » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:05 pm

Cell phone and microchip tracking is nothing compared to what the government is now doing in terms of new technology. They are getting to the point where they will be able to read your thoughts by reading your retina. (See attached article for proof). They can spy anyone from satellites, implant sounds in your brain by electromagnetic beaming, ping your computer to know who you are, spy on your internet activity, on your business, on your personal life. They have been engaged in testing their advance equipment on humans, including US citizens, without our consent. They have developed weapons capable of disrupting our sleep, inducing fear and panic by radio or microwave transmissions and soon will be able to manipulate and control human behavior by many remote means. Many top secret projects never reach public opinion, and the technologies are so advanced, this is only a tip of the iceberg in terms of what they are doing. Nobody has any privacy anymore. Who do you think developed the internet and monitors and controls all traffic, spies on our personal e-mails, internet activity? They set up false proxies promising safe browsing when in reality they are using those to spy on your browsing activities. They implant chips in humans with multiple excuses, but the result is human control. They now are working on systems so powerful that they will be able to monitor live real world experience, and be able to manipulate human events to their favor, by applying these technologies on a massive scale, ,to achieve their diabolical desire for global control. So this is just the tip of the iceberg. There is evidence for all that has been posted, including links to the reference articles to support these claims, for those who would like to know more on this subject.

See article above for further info on this and details/proof showing how this is happening.
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Postby Antisthenes » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:53 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/opini ... ref=slogin

The ‘Good Germans’ Among Us

“BUSH lies” doesn’t cut it anymore. It’s time to confront the darker reality that we are lying to ourselves.
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This will blow ya away

Postby usarender » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:32 pm

Sounds like strange, bizarre, hallucinations, but is the ultimate reality of what is going on around us....


found here -->>


Leading Edge International Research Group


More information then can be explored by the average citizen.


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Ancient Wisdom and Modern Physics:
The Ultimate Inside Report on the World Technocracy


For almost six years, a select group of world scientists also on the path of self-knowledge and discovery began to transmit fascinating information to Leading Edge Research Group in regard to technological developments occurring behind the scenes in the planetary control paradigm, as well as new developments occurring in other facets of society, covered in annual meetings, primarily in Chicago, Illinois but also in New York and other locations around the world. The information first began to appear in the Leading Edge Research Journal in 1993, where the group introduced themselves to readers and then embarked on a series of revelations that began to evoke a lot of interest in the research community.

In 1995, when more of the series was released in LE Journal No.78, the contents literally rocked people all over the world, revealing developments in manipulative electromagnetics and mind control suspected but never actually verified until that time. The Chicago Research Group periodically released data in the Leading Edge Research Journal over the next several years, often in parallel with pertinent data in Kostas Lambrakis Unified Field and Takyon-Delton Physics series, as planetary conditions and situations warranted. New scientific discoveries in astronomy, neurology, applied materials sciences and a host of other areas brought a vast array of data to researchers worldwide.
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